My high hopes for the build-up to #200

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userpjx		#41	[-]
Posts: 19 (10/08/2008 8:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'd like to see Spectre make a come back. That guy is a total badass. I can't believe how long the Brotherhood has been gone... Come back, for the love of God.
Toby Barrett		#42	[-]
Posts: 898 (10/08/2008 9:19 PM) My Mom Says I'm Cool. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	They're trapped in the Twilight Zone, beaten and bruised. I can't see them get out for quite a while, if ever.
hypershadow77		#43	[-]
Posts: 2289 (10/08/2008 11:32 PM) INT is crucial for Fighters right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	i'm missing the issue, but doesn't that seem like a cop out? like "i don't want to deal with the brotherhood, so rather than saying they're all dead, they're trapped. thus effectively dead." ------------------ We are fighters "We are intelligent people who fight from the heart. We are the truest athletes there are. We're what the people write about, cry about, and who they want to see: the pure warrior that comes out and just lays it all out on the line. We do it for pride, for heart and for the love of the sport. We don't make tons of money, yet we give our lives for what we do without regrets of fear."
Ian Potto		#44	[-]
Posts: 230 (10/09/2008 7:50 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Quite the opposite, actually. I was going to out-right kill them, but decided to back off since I'd already killed off so many echidnas. I thought folks would prefer a ray of hope over a clear-cut demise. Instead, it looks like most would've prefered an "ending" one way or another. Live and learn. The Unofficial Offical Comic's Forum This Side of Mobius
hypershadow77		#45	[-]
Posts: 2290 (10/09/2008 11:59 AM) INT is crucial for Fighters right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	that's kinda what i mean though. why would you want to kill off that many characters? that's kinda like marvel's decision to kill off alpha flight, there was like 4 characters that got killed over the course of a page, vs them having years worth of character development. isn't that the exact same thing? ------------------ We are fighters "We are intelligent people who fight from the heart. We are the truest athletes there are. We're what the people write about, cry about, and who they want to see: the pure warrior that comes out and just lays it all out on the line. We do it for pride, for heart and for the love of the sport. We don't make tons of money, yet we give our lives for what we do without regrets of fear."
Psxphile		#46	[-]
Posts: 11114 (10/09/2008 7:52 PM) Reality whenever... Gaming forever. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	So the question becomes: a) should the writer bear the responsibility of writing scenarios for characters they have no vested interest in to placate the fans, especially if it means the characters could come out the worse for it, b) put them on 'standby' until a better opportunity presents itself for their involvement, taking the risk that it may never come and the characters' fates remain in limbo, or c) kill 'em off because they're terrible/unpopular/unusable characters that have no place in the future of the book they were created to be a part of, and does the writer have the 'right' to do so (especially if said characters were creations of another writer)? Keeping in mind, of course, that in the comic book industry "killing off" and "standby" are fairly synonymous. Sega 02: "SONIC TEAM. The Sonic Team development studio was established to execute the wishes of Sega." Sega 03: "It was intended to enact the business strategy we had created." Sega 05: "However, it appears to have become dominated by a single, zealous individual." Sega 04: "Yes it has. We must take it back into our own dominion." Sega 01: "It is time. We must restore SONIC TEAM and the Sonic series to their proper role." "Iizuka, you will take responsibility for betraying Sega." Last Edited By: Psxphile 10/09/2008 7:55 PM. Edited 1 times.
hypershadow77		#47	[-]
Posts: 2291 (10/09/2008 8:41 PM) INT is crucial for Fighters right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	i suppose that i'd have to agree that ian did the right thing by not killing them, i guess that's really the best option that was open to him. i guess the only other option was to leave their fate a mystery until if ever he decided to use them. and i'd almost prefer that to knowing that they just won't be in the comic for the foreseeable future due to being trapped. ------------------ We are fighters "We are intelligent people who fight from the heart. We are the truest athletes there are. We're what the people write about, cry about, and who they want to see: the pure warrior that comes out and just lays it all out on the line. We do it for pride, for heart and for the love of the sport. We don't make tons of money, yet we give our lives for what we do without regrets of fear."
Ian Potto		#48	[-]
Posts: 231 (10/10/2008 10:24 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Psxphile pretty much nailed the conundrum. Taking out the Brotherhood vs. Alpha Flight: both were to establish a villainous force (if I'm thinking of the same A.F. wipe-out as hypershadow77). The Brotherhood led to an explanation of how Finitevus worked out his Enerjak-hex and established him as a methodical, evil character. Alpha Flight died to show how powerful that all-in-one-and-maybe-Xorn-thing was back in the day. (Did anything ever come from that?) The difference to me, though, is that Alpha Flight provided something. They are the Canadian super-team with individual characters and back-story and all the good stuff already mentioned. The Brotherhood had none of that. They were the embodiment of Knuckles' lineage, but they weren't contributing to the book. Sure, there were some nifty designs and potential for story, but as things stood they were drawing the focus away from Knuckles. Why does it matter that Knuckles is a chaos-power-wielding-Guardian when you have five more chillin' in Haven? How is any threat to Angel Island viable when you've got that many high-powered characters with super-tech ready to rise to the occassion? Athair was unique because he operated on a level higher than Knuckles - with the Ancient Walkers and the Chaos Force. That's why he's still around (sort of). Locke had his own unique traits, but I felt his demise in "Enerjak: Reborn" brought his story fully around and neatly closed: he played with nature to construct a Guardian, came to see the folly of his meddling, and ultimately redeemed himself by saving his son. The rest of the Brotherhood did nothing but provide peers for Locke to speak cryptically to. I know not everyone's going to agree with that, but what's done is done. All I can do from here is explain my reasoning and hope we can all at least agree to disagree. The Unofficial Offical Comic's Forum This Side of Mobius
tornadot		#49	[-]
Posts: 4290 (10/10/2008 11:00 AM) Free as the Wind Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well at least there is a decent explaination. I'm kind of glad the Brotherhood is out of the picture because they had outlived their usefulness after awhile. Timon: Boy, he looks blue... Pumbaa: I'd say brownish-gold Timon: No no no, I mean he's depressed Pumbaa: Oh...
hypershadow77		#50	[-]
Posts: 2292 (10/10/2008 12:24 PM) INT is crucial for Fighters right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ian Potto wrote: Psxphile pretty much nailed the conundrum. Taking out the Brotherhood vs. Alpha Flight: both were to establish a villainous force (if I'm thinking of the same A.F. wipe-out as hypershadow77). The Brotherhood led to an explanation of how Finitevus worked out his Enerjak-hex and established him as a methodical, evil character. Alpha Flight died to show how powerful that all-in-one-and-maybe-Xorn-thing was back in the day. (Did anything ever come from that?) The difference to me, though, is that Alpha Flight provided something. They are the Canadian super-team with individual characters and back-story and all the good stuff already mentioned. The Brotherhood had none of that. They were the embodiment of Knuckles' lineage, but they weren't contributing to the book. Sure, there were some nifty designs and potential for story, but as things stood they were drawing the focus away from Knuckles. Why does it matter that Knuckles is a chaos-power-wielding-Guardian when you have five more chillin' in Haven? How is any threat to Angel Island viable when you've got that many high-powered characters with super-tech ready to rise to the occassion? Athair was unique because he operated on a level higher than Knuckles - with the Ancient Walkers and the Chaos Force. That's why he's still around (sort of). Locke had his own unique traits, but I felt his demise in "Enerjak: Reborn" brought his story fully around and neatly closed: he played with nature to construct a Guardian, came to see the folly of his meddling, and ultimately redeemed himself by saving his son. The rest of the Brotherhood did nothing but provide peers for Locke to speak cryptically to. I know not everyone's going to agree with that, but what's done is done. All I can do from here is explain my reasoning and hope we can all at least agree to disagree. i'm glad you justified it at least and i do agree that it was probably locke's time to go. it was a good way to die vs. the penders' ending to him. i believe that the new Omega flight features michael pointer (the xorn entity at the time) as a new guardian. i think marvel killed off the team so they could amp up sales for Omega flight after the civil war ended. they are doing that with another team after secret invasion i hear. ------------------ We are fighters "We are intelligent people who fight from the heart. We are the truest athletes there are. We're what the people write about, cry about, and who they want to see: the pure warrior that comes out and just lays it all out on the line. We do it for pride, for heart and for the love of the sport. We don't make tons of money, yet we give our lives for what we do without regrets of fear."
Darkest Light		#51	[-]
Posts: 4106 (10/11/2008 8:05 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	>>I'll agree that the Brotherhood had outlived their usefulness for the points you established Ian- and that they really did not have any true critical weight aside form once keeping Echidnapolis and all the other zones in working order while the current Guardian is up and about keeping the Island as a whole ok. You've completely usurped that whole ..world, and that's great. I appreciate it. You gave the Brotherhood an OUT rather than a death sentence, and I am for that-but truthfully, and this is the fanboy in me, and I'm not gonna deny-you gotta bring them back-if only to give them a new role before meeting an end with any more Echidnas you plan to get rid of (yes I know Albion is now the only safe haven, but ya still might wanna eradicate a few more, I'm down for it.) Cause face it. Knux is the point blank badarse Guardian. We need at least 1 older Guardian (not Athair) around to be like-that voice of "Well I agree we should take heads." Hawking was that. Then he died. Boom Done, I loved Hawking, and he went and I was kinda mad, but hey, that's what happens. Tobor-same thing (and I'm eternally pissed about that) Badarse anger, came back swinging, gets punted after doing his thing. (There was no damn true resolution to the Brotherhood figuring out Moritori /Tobor/Spectre thing-and I wanted that!!! Hell I think that was the final friggin Knux Loophole never explained.) In any event, I think I'm done, and I'm gonna speculate one more thing for 200: 200: Sonic and Silver doing a Fastball Special. Yes, cheezy yet effective. And that's why Spectre should be brought back. Dun care how. Dun have ideas how. Just wanna see 'im back , lol. Hee hee hee
Ian Potto		#52	[-]
Posts: 232 (10/12/2008 6:30 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hawking and Tobor did have that aspect to them, yes. But I don't think that's what was so endearing about them initially. I think what made us* like them so much is they gave us straight answers. They both gave us blow-by-blow accounts of their tenures as Guardians and why things are the way they are. Locke, for a time, had that trait too. Athair, eventually, gave some answers. The rest kept everything quiet, revealing only tidbits at a time and when it best suited them. If we need an elder mentor with a proactive attitude, we don't need a Guardian. That's the whole reason I worked Archimedes back into the story. He was the original mentor and seemed to have a firm grasp on how to do things the traditional Brotherhood way and the practical way. That, and the pairing of Guardian Echidna + small, wise fire-ant is far more visually interesting than Knuckles = Knuckles-with-costume-change. All that said, I do recognize there's still A LOT of the old Knuckles mythos left unresolved or could use some fleshing out. Now that we have SU up and running I'm hoping we can find a way to go back to it. And now I'll stop derailing the thread. *(and I mean that as a very vague blanket statement about the fandom "us") The Unofficial Offical Comic's Forum This Side of Mobius
Psxphile		#53	[-]
Posts: 11145 (10/12/2008 11:27 AM) Reality whenever... Gaming forever. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	most informative derailment ever Sega 02: "SONIC TEAM. The Sonic Team development studio was established to execute the wishes of Sega." Sega 03: "It was intended to enact the business strategy we had created." Sega 05: "However, it appears to have become dominated by a single, zealous individual." Sega 04: "Yes it has. We must take it back into our own dominion." Sega 01: "It is time. We must restore SONIC TEAM and the Sonic series to their proper role." "Iizuka, you will take responsibility for betraying Sega."
Darkest Light		#54	[-]
Posts: 4107 (10/12/2008 1:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the answers. Wow I feel learned now Hee hee hee
CyKairus		#55	[-]
Posts: 3406 (11/03/2008 1:55 AM) Resident Arch-Psion Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I might have missed an issue that showed it or missed SOMETHING: I'd like to see whatever became of that ancient facility and ISSAC (or whatever the gold robot's name was, I think I forgot). Look! Cy has a Deviantart thingite goin on!
gammarallyson		#56	[-]
Posts: 402 (11/03/2008 1:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	CyKairus wrote: I might have missed an issue that showed it or missed SOMETHING: I'd like to see whatever became of that ancient facility and ISSAC (or whatever the gold robot's name was, I think I forgot). Oh-OH NO I do NOT want anymore ISSAC. Not now, not EVER! XD; *Quote:* For TRUTH!
Crazy Cham Lea		#57	[-]
Posts: 1026 (11/03/2008 1:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	CyKairus wrote: I might have missed an issue that showed it or missed SOMETHING: I'd like to see whatever became of that ancient facility and ISSAC (or whatever the gold robot's name was, I think I forgot). Finitevus took Issac apart for info and apparently planned to use the facility. Rouge didn't like what he was up to and did something to render all the missiles there useless before taking off.
Bsonic10		#58	[-]
Posts: 220 (11/03/2008 10:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yep, Lea's right. In case you want the issue where that happens (though it only happens in a flashback) it was #165. Also, Rouge pretty much calls Ivan a frozen corpse, indicating that Ivan's probably/has been dead. Oh, and one more thing that was mentioned was that ISSAC's data was corrupted when Finitevus found him, and it might have been hinted (I believe) that it had been corrupted for a while.

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