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SonicV2

I'm getting tired of fairweather Sonic fans! (rant)

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(09/17/2008 10:49 PM)

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Now hear me it out.

Obviously, the popular opinion among the Sonic fandom is 2D games > 3D games. But that's not the problem. The problem comes from the fact that fairweather fans and yahoos who probably never even played a Sonic game, are saying this.

For example: This poster in another forum, claims that the 3D games are 'too kiddy.' Now despite the fact that 2D games were way more cartoony with cutesy animals and the 3D games dealt with death (albeit in usually in a poor way) And before that, I get tired of people claiming that the 2D games 'were all about speed'

Anyway, I felt like venting and I vented. I feel like that these fans and stooges are gonna be ones who plays a hand at the (improbable) series' destruction.

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The main character dies

nam1018

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(09/17/2008 10:54 PM)

Ok I will tell you this right know i'm not a fair weather fan. If you don't belive then go here.
http://www.videogamemm.co.../main.php?g2_itemId=14492
And whats wroung with fair weather sonic fans? At least you know that sonic still has some popularity today.

SonicV2

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(09/17/2008 11:00 PM)

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You have no idea what a fair weather fan means, do you? o.o

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Craig Bayfield

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(09/17/2008 11:01 PM)

Kyon/John Smith Shipper

You're ranting about non-Sonic players in the Sonic game section of a Sonic board?

That means no one you're ranting against can stand up for themselves and this "topic" is more of a blog entry. What exactly was the point?

Psxphile

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(09/17/2008 11:18 PM)

Reality whenever...
Gaming forever.

SonicV2 wrote:
This poster in another forum, claims that the 3D games are 'too kiddy.' Now despite the fact that 2D games were way more cartoony with cutesy animals

The 2D games had a more universal appeal. There was no dialog, just Sonic (and Tails) doing his thing and looking SERIOUS BUSINESS doing it, despite the colorful settings and 'cute widdle aminals'.

The 3D games brought us "WE ALL DID IT TOGETHER", "THE REAL POWER OF TEAMWORK" and "BUT THE SPHINX LOOKED SO CUTE, I HAD TO SHAVE IT".

Sega 02: "SONIC TEAM. The Sonic Team development studio was established to execute the wishes of Sega."
Sega 03: "It was intended to enact the business strategy we had created."
Sega 05: "However, it appears to have become dominated by a single, zealous individual."
Sega 04: "Yes it has. We must take it back into our own dominion."
Sega 01: "It is time. We must restore SONIC TEAM and the Sonic series to their proper role."

"Iizuka, you will take responsibility for betraying Sega."

SA Tails

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(09/17/2008 11:25 PM)

I R PK J00

Don't forget "LOOK AT ALL THOSE EGGMAN'S ROBOTS!"

Also, the 3D games brought us glitches they'll never bother to fix and they get worse. Like randomly falling through solid objects, the dodgy-at-best camera systems, and speed speed speeeeeeeeeeeed as THE major selling point, which fails mostly due to the glitches.

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KaylaTheHedgehog

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(09/18/2008 10:11 AM)

Let's do the
Time Warp again!

Don't forget that nearly all of the classic Badniks were abandoned when Sonic moved to 3D.

Motora and company are so lonely!

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D B Vulpix

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(09/18/2008 10:40 AM)

The scripts of the new games are so totally cheese ball. An older person can play the old 2D games in a public area and be considered stylishly retro. Play the 3D games and people will wonder why he's playing a kid game.

Craig Bayfield

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(09/18/2008 12:03 PM)

Kyon/John Smith Shipper

If we're arguing this sheerly in tone and target audience, then an early 90's Sega was aiming at a very very young market (after ET Atari the adult market was all but dead in the eyes of marketing and would not be fully revived until the Playstation era), yet in this day it is clear they are aiming for the current mainstream, which is the oh so dreaded "casual gamer", which lead to T rated Shadow the Hedgehog and Final Fantasy styled epic Sonic 2006.

So from the designers point of view, as in who they are pushing the game towards, the market is older than it was.

Content wise and so forth? Debateable.

Target demographic wise, practically undeniable.

Ramza the Fox

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(09/18/2008 12:29 PM)

To tell you the truth, this whole, "Teh 2D games is mour betterer than teh 3D games!" thing annoys me. If you think that, fine. Just keep it to yourself instead of flaming everyone and everything around you. i like both of them. I've been playing the Sonic games since I was "little". I still like the newer ones. Do you see me complaining about the new games? I'm a big Sonic Adventure fan, and I'm also a big fan of the 2D games. Heroes, however... -_- ... Let's not go there. That one doesn't count unless it's the gamecube version.

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D B Vulpix

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(09/18/2008 1:33 PM)

I'll never understand this uber hatred of the casual gamer. Only Nintendo seems to acknowledge them. Hardcore Adults pretty much own Xbox and Playstation. I don't play every game that hits the shelves thats supposed to be the bees knees. In fact I never beat Halo. I don't have time to do this. I guess that makes me a dreaded casual gamer. But whatever.

How the hell did the casual gamer lead to Sonic 06 and Shadow the Hedgehog. Are you saying that CHILDREN are casual gamers??

Christ I guess that means video games will never belong to kids again ever.

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Craig Bayfield

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(09/18/2008 1:49 PM)

Kyon/John Smith Shipper

I didn't edit myself before posting and used one word when I meant the other. I was referring to the hardcore gamers and wrote casual instead.

Also the "oh so dreaded" before hand was a reference to the hate of hardcore gamers who are "polluting the market" or whatever arguements are flying around on the Penny Arcade forums this week. Given that I'm not a gamer of any sort, I don't know or care, so strike the comment from the record.

PS: Please level your tone, the aggressive sarcasm stuff doesn't really fly when I am just pointing out that the target demographic has shifted.

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Shadow Hog

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(09/19/2008 12:24 AM)

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Ramza the Fox wrote:
To tell you the truth, this whole, "Teh 2D games is mour betterer than teh 3D games!" thing annoys me. If you think that, fine. Just keep it to yourself instead of flaming everyone and everything around you.

No, no, no, that's not quite right. By all means, tell us your opinion; we're open to it, honestly, correct or otherwise. Don't keep it to yourself.

The flaming everyone part, though, I agree with. Share your opinion, but don't force it on everyone.

Ramza the Fox wrote:
i like both of them. I've been playing the Sonic games since I was "little". I still like the newer ones. Do you see me complaining about the new games? I'm a big Sonic Adventure fan, and I'm also a big fan of the 2D games. Heroes, however... -_- ... Let's not go there. That one doesn't count unless it's the gamecube version.

The first two Adventures were pretty fine (if now extremely dated - my kingdom for a proper right-analog stick camera...), but you have to admit that they lost focus soon thereafter. Heroes kind of nailed the concept (fanservice = good) but is where they started to falter in execution (glitches abound, controls looser than a round peg in a square hole, and clunky character-changing mechanics) and think all the dialog had to be written for little children; Shadow basically spat in the face of, well, everyone except die-hard Shadow fans, 2K6 had good intentions but was so poorly-developed that only a masochist could truly enjoy it, and Black Knight gives Sonic, a character explicitly designed such that he wouldn't need a weapon (he IS the weapon), a sword. Not to mention that Rush, although everyone seems to think it's fun, is about as far away from the classic 2D games as you can get; remember when the Spin Dash was useful? Remember when overcoming obstacles was a matter of getting the correct momentum instead of hitting a button and blasting through? Sega doesn't.

Really, it's less an issue of 2D vs. 3D and more an issue of Sonic having completely lost his soul. Having jumped the shark, so to speak. Nobody at Sega really seems to know what the series was about anymore, other than "Sonic = fast"... and the series suffers for it.

Beardo Is LEGEND

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(10/12/2008 11:35 PM)

... died.

I think what they were trying to say, was that it's rather lame that people claim to 'omg i luv sonic' when a game goes right, but once Sega and/or Sonic Team makes a poor decision, the fan soon switches to a 'omg sonic is liek ded to me' attitude. Then, they go onto a Sonic message board and begin a year's worth of whining and complaining inside of every possible topic, claiming 'it will never be as good as sonic cd whaaa.'

At least, I think that was the point this topic was meant for.

SavageSonic

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(12/14/2008 2:49 PM)

Well *I* am NOT a fair weather Sonic fan. I've been a fan since I was 9 years old, and granted while I'm not as big a fan now as I was then, I'll always be a true blue fan. Granted, I must admit, the only Sonic games I have right now are Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure, but that's mostly because I'm poor and can't afford any of the new games. Suffice to say that no matter how bad people think the games suck, I'm still sticking with Sonic. And a TRUE fan won't just say "You must only play the classics" because guess what? A TRUE fan would stick with Sonic through thick and thin, and appeciate all aspects of Sonic from his original Sonic the Hedgehog game in the 90s, to the 3D games of today and the different comics, cartoons and related fandoms now. We may favor one over the other, but to dis Sonic, to want to see him die out because of the outright criticism of the so-called fans just plain makes me sick. At the VERY least, Sonic deserves to keep going, the excitement and spirit of Sonic will only be kept alive if they make new games, and improve.
I for one havn't played a lot of the new games, but despite the difficult gameplay, I would pose it as a challenge rather than "this game sucks so blah."
And I happen to like the storylines. Some of them are cheesy...some of them HAVE to be cheesy for the nature of the game (like back in Sonic R the plot wasn't really much there.)
But you get my point right? A true hedgehog fan sticks with Sonic to the end. I for one feel this way. Besides, as a character, even if Sega is messing him up, you shouldn't blame it on him. :3

Ashide Bunni

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(12/14/2008 11:36 PM)

oro?

Man, if a TRUE Sonic fan is one that apprieciates ALL aspects of Sonic(including the crappy & broken parts) then I'm damn glad that I'm not considered to be a true fan.

Deus

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(12/15/2008 12:22 AM)

Ramza the Fox wrote:
To tell you the truth, this whole, "Teh 2D games is mour betterer than teh 3D games!" thing annoys me. If you think that, fine. Just keep it to yourself instead of flaming everyone and everything around you. i like both of them. I've been playing the Sonic games since I was "little". I still like the newer ones. Do you see me complaining about the new games? I'm a big Sonic Adventure fan, and I'm also a big fan of the 2D games. Heroes, however... -_- ... Let's not go there. That one doesn't count unless it's the gamecube version.

I'd love to be a nice man and agree with you, but the asshole in me, and the fact that I am so disgusted in fans who appreciate games like Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06 makes me have to force my opinions on them. I just can't allow those kinds of people to exist. It's my duty as a real Sonic fan.

HyperSonic2003

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(12/15/2008 12:26 AM)

What Ashide said. I adore the classics and SA and SA2 and even Heroes[also Secret Rings...loved that game actually] to an extent. The GBA and DS titles are good as well, but those other games I didn't mention...ummm yea...not a good example of the Sonic that got him to his iconic status of today. I'm still fan...just nowhere near as huge as I once was.

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Robobotnik

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(12/15/2008 9:49 AM)

SavageSonic wrote:
Well *I* am NOT a fair weather Sonic fan. I've been a fan since I was 9 years old, and granted while I'm not as big a fan now as I was then, I'll always be a true blue fan. Granted, I must admit, the only Sonic games I have right now are Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure, but that's mostly because I'm poor and can't afford any of the new games. Suffice to say that no matter how bad people think the games suck, I'm still sticking with Sonic. And a TRUE fan won't just say "You must only play the classics" because guess what? A TRUE fan would stick with Sonic through thick and thin, and appeciate all aspects of Sonic from his original Sonic the Hedgehog game in the 90s, to the 3D games of today and the different comics, cartoons and related fandoms now. We may favor one over the other, but to dis Sonic, to want to see him die out because of the outright criticism of the so-called fans just plain makes me sick. At the VERY least, Sonic deserves to keep going, the excitement and spirit of Sonic will only be kept alive if they make new games, and improve.
I for one havn't played a lot of the new games, but despite the difficult gameplay, I would pose it as a challenge rather than "this game sucks so blah."
And I happen to like the storylines. Some of them are cheesy...some of them HAVE to be cheesy for the nature of the game (like back in Sonic R the plot wasn't really much there.)
But you get my point right? A true hedgehog fan sticks with Sonic to the end. I for one feel this way. Besides, as a character, even if Sega is messing him up, you shouldn't blame it on him. :3

A TRUE fan is someone who loves Sonic for something he's provided, or all of it, not something they stick with through thick or thin, this isn't a wedding after all.

Personally I find your idea of a true fan insulting, because you basically allow for something that was once the highlight of my childhood to be crapped on from a great height by the very company that created him in the bid to get profit from kids who love the game because it has Sonic and Sonic fans who can''t accept not owning another turd with a Sonic logo on it.

And don't tell me it hasn't gotten that bad, because it has, and has only just shown any sign that Sonic may redeem himself on home consoles, primarily because they used the gameplay of Rush series, which is arguably the best Sonic's been since the Dreamcast expired.

A true fan would want great things from the series or character that has won them over, to give them more reason to enjoy the series, and if nothing else, secure their decision in choosing that series to stick by.

Now let me tell you, I've put up with a lot from some series and companies, and Sonic has been the toughest due to how important the little blue hedgehog was on my childhood, inspiring me to draw, to want to make games, to want to make comics, I owe my love and interest of games, comics, and cartoons, and my own endeavors into those subjects to Sonic, and for me personally it's painful to see him as just SEGA's marketing ploy. I hate that he's in some of the worst games of both this and the previous generation, when he was once one of the best. If you think that a true fan should support bastardizing the element that made people love them in the first place you should talk to some Star Wars fans.

*relaxes* Counter rant over, sorry for that. :P

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