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Posts: 2012 (01/08/2009 11:27 PM) |
On the same subject, why doesn't anyone think about how the plants feel? They have just as much a right to live as farm animals, but you don't see
anyone raising a fuss over a cabbage going in a pot of boiling water. Plants have feeling to, ya know!
That's sarcasm in case our friend thinks otherwise. Though I do believe it is a valid point.        *avatar courtesy of Matt Moylan's Lilformers site |
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Posts: 476 (01/08/2009 11:37 PM) |
Toby Underwood wrote:BACK OFF I called dibs on Troy First! >:( This whole thread is like Mr.Stubborn from the Mr. Men show. No matter how many times you try to tell him that he is incorrect, he'll keep denying it, then repeat the same thing over and over again hoping that everyone will just give up and agree with him. ... Oh, Welcome to the Board overlordkiwi! :D Quote: |
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Posts: 898 (01/09/2009 7:44 AM) |
Sailor Rose Dust wrote:Pretty weak analogy, since plants probably wouldn't have feelings; IIRC, consciousness is the result of interaction of neurons in the brain, so plants wouldn't really "experience" what's happening to them. But yeah, they do seem to focus on the cuter animals. I don't notice much PETA campaigning for the "rights" of spiders and ants... |
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Posts: 1273 (01/09/2009 8:29 AM) |
matthayter700 wrote:Not really. PETA seem to be campaigning on the right to life, not on the right to not be hurt. |
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Posts: 1971 (01/09/2009 8:35 AM) 
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MattManic7325 wrote:Zuh? So it's okay for people to 'hurt' an animal, but only to the extent that it doesn't violate that particular animal's right to life? The hell kinda logic is that?
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Posts: 19 (01/09/2009 7:08 PM) Furry Requisite Malcontent
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You people! You monsters! Don't you want to save the sea kittens!
http://www.telegraph.co.u...anded-as-sea-kittens.html http://www.peta.org/sea_kittens/ I mean, nobody would want to eat something called a sea kitten(despite being slimy, ugly, and tasty when cooked or even raw)! So yeah, save the sea kitten or something. See ya all at the sushi bar... |
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Posts: 1347 (01/09/2009 7:34 PM) A drunken sandwich
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Though I noticed people seem to be focusing on their views on meat-eating; what about their views on experiments on animals? Eating some meat is probably healthier than eating none, but experiments on animals led to many treatments, one of which saved my life; Banting and Best doing experiments on dogs led them to see the connection between the pancreas and type 1 diabetes, which in turn led to insulin therapy. If you ended up with type 1 diabetes, overlordkiwi, would you use insulin to save your life? This is a far more interesting subject than veganism and I think that's why it's not as commonly argued. Inhibiting science is far more dangerous than making choices about what not to eat that is a common food. The killing in the wild may be more "natural" but when you really think about it, is the distinction really meaningful? Technology is an indirect result of our evolutionary history; artificial things, being a result of the natural world, are therefore technically natural. It really depends on what you claim the distinction is. Everything is natural, otherwise it wouldn't exist. And the fact that people always cry about cute animals being endangered. Think about it, when was the last time people worried about bees, snails, and frogs compared to something like pandas and polar bears. The former three are endanger as well. And the fact that they're also low on the food chain doesn't make it better. That is an extremely ignorant but too common argument. Everybody who is remotely competent about the subject knows that every species is important. We just use the popular species to get people to donate. See recent WWF commercial to save "the polar bear and many other species." |
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Posts: 36 (01/09/2009 7:38 PM) |
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Posts: 1116 (01/09/2009 7:51 PM) |
overlordkiwi wrote:So does peta have a description of what they'd accept as being an ethical method in which to slaughter animals? otherwise we would now have consume animals whilst they are alive in a manner that causes them no pain? |
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Posts: 41 (01/09/2009 8:12 PM) |
no not that i am aware of but there trying not just complaning about it trying they have hope.
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Posts: 2015 (01/09/2009 9:23 PM) |
So why aren't PETA campaigning against crocodiles? They drown their prey, and drowning is an awful way to die. Not to mention they often dismember it
before they eat it.
What about jellyfish? They go so far as to painfully paralyze their prey before eating it. How about snakes? Some kill like the jellyfish and some suffocate their prey. Or spiders? They liquify their prey's innards. The animal kingdom has been killing its prey in far more inhuman an unethical ways for much longer than humanity has. *avatar courtesy of Matt Moylan's Lilformers site |
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Posts: 106 (01/09/2009 9:31 PM) |
Well one thing yeah killing is wrong but as most people say it all predators kill animals and eat them. How come PETA doesn't jump on the animals?
Not to mention the human body sorta NEEDS protein and iron and stuff and most of that is found in animal meat.
High TOUCHU!
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Posts: 15430 (01/09/2009 9:46 PM) |
overlordkiwi wrote:I have a Cracked article just for you. Language warning. America outlawed slavery...but we have ants that continue the practice in our own backyard. Literally. Dolphins kill each other just for the heck of it, apparently. Oh yeah, and let's not forget chimps occasionally eating their young. Also, I submit the Brazilian Wandering Spider for case study. |
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Posts: 1274 (01/09/2009 9:53 PM) |
Rishi wrote: No. matthayter was saying that it makes no sense for PETA to try and protect plants as they can't feel pain. I said that doesn't make sense as PETA's priority seems to be stopping people from killing things, not from hurting them. That's not to say that they *encourage* hurting animals, but killing something is, in their minds, a much worse action than just hurting it. So Rose's point, although sarcastic, does kinda ring true - it doesn't matter whether a plant can feel pain or not - by their logic, killing a carrot should be just as reprehensible as killing a cow. |
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Posts: 2017 (01/09/2009 10:13 PM) |
Don't forget that a lot of the plant kingdom grows toward the sun, and some like sunflowers will actively follow the sun as it moves across the sky, so
they must have at least enough sense to know where it is.
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Posts: 1375 (01/09/2009 10:13 PM) ҉ |
For every animal you save I shall eat two.
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Posts: 1276 (01/09/2009 10:36 PM) |
I see your two and raise you a turkey.
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Posts: 2018 (01/09/2009 10:39 PM) |
I'm going all in with a 10-piece chicken nugget meal.
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Posts: 2272 (01/09/2009 11:43 PM)
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I think you can find the site from the picture, and search around for the rant to go with this if you want. I don't tend to actually directly link things
that are over the rating limit. Unlike Ultra that vulgar mouthed spreader of liberal propaganda.
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Posts: 194 (01/10/2009 2:20 AM) |
As for eating meat: I eat meat, I like meat, humans are omnivores, we have canines designed specifically for the tearing and chewing of meat, therefore I am
for eating meat.
As for using animals for tests: it saves human lives, therefore I'm for it. Though they should raise said animals humanly and kill them as painlessly as possible. As for the killing and eating of plants, I eat fruits and grains, and a few vegies, so I'm for it. A Final Opinion is of Less Value Than an Appreciation of and Tolerance for Obscurity |
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