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Ultra's last post seems around how I feel. For the good of the country, I hope Obama does our country right, and I will welcome any improvements that he
can make. However, I'm not gonna hold my breath. I will say this, as a human he seems like he's a decent guy, and despite what Obama has said, I, a
Hannity fan, wouldn't mind drinking a beer with him, that is if I actually drank alcohol but meh. As, far as the best well received President, considering
he was elected twice unanimously, I say Washington would get that honor.
"Drinking beer is easy. Trashing your hotel room is easy. But being a Christian, that's a tough call. That's real rebellion!"-Vincent Damon
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SonicV2 |
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But think about it:
"Otherwise, I hope you fail." Why would Ultra want to put the country in jeopardy just because he doesn't agree with Obama's views? Is it Republican backlash? Or just plain stupidity?
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Ultra Sonic 007 |
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SonicV2 wrote:My point is that I believe his policies, as expressed, would jeopardize the country. Failure on Obama's part to implement his currently-stated policies = Less chance of Jeopardy: America-sized. That was my point. I don't agree with his views. I also happen to think that a successful implementation of them would be...well, harmful for America. That's all. Also, on a side note, what was up with the benediction?
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Sailor Rose Dust |
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I may not be happy that Obama is now President, but I will support him and hope and pray that whatever he does is for the good of America and her people.
That said, I, like Ray and Ultra, have my doubts, but I'd love to see Obama prove me wrong. |
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Veckums |
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People are celebrating the end of an error. I managed to in 8 years only use the word president in conjunction with Diet Hitler once or twice. I don't put
much weight in the title of president, as it's just a job and politicians don't deserve special honor, but that usurper doesn't deserve the title
of village idiot.
Susan says (16:40):
"Contrary to popular belief, I wasn't born in a manger." Obama said. "I was sent here from the planet Krypton by my father Jor-El, to save the planet Earth." Ever see the end of Star Wars after the death star blew up with the emperor? Yeah, it's like that. That is why people are partying. Also, they managed to elect a guy who is highly intelligent, the polar opposite of Bush in just about every way, and even kind of a nerd. This is no minor business considering how much the world needs a polar opposite of Bush to promote and protect human rights, science, and the environment. It is not an exaggeration to say that humanity and millions of other species were put at risk by him. |
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matthayter700 |
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Veckums wrote:I think you're going a bit overboard there; the policies weren't just those of Bush himself but of other members of his administration as well, and who knows how things would have turned out with someone else as president? Also, wouldn't the majority of the public share some of the blame, having voted for Bush in 2004 after seeing 4 years of him in power? |
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Veckums |
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matthayter700 wrote: Yes. Yes they do. The best story about this inauguration is: When the train arrives at the Pentagon station, there are huge lines to get up the escalators toward the shuttle buses they have waiting outside. So someone gets the bright idea to begin walking up the down escalator ... and dozens of people start following him. Before long, there are two think columns of people -- black, white, the young, the old, the healthy, the frail -- marching up the down escalator, as couple a police officer looks on haplessly and helplessly. And the people are chanting, quite naturally, "Yes we can!". It's about a lot more than just Obama. This is a victory for many who worked hard to save the country and learned some things about the nature of themselves and others. |
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Ultra Sonic 007 wrote:How so? o.o Anyway, I think "some of the blame" is a bit of an understatement; after years of him being in office people voted him back in; I'd think they had reason to know what they were getting, though granted, I don't know much about the differences between his first-term and second-term policies... But anyway, what about the point about it being partly his general administration? What about the question of who's to say how things would have worked out with someone else in power? |
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Cookirini |
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But in all seriousness...welcome to the job President *insert whoever here*. If you have any ideas that are good for America, then may you succeed at
implementing them.
Otherwise, I hope you fail. Just paraphrasing in order to say people could apply it to every president. Quite honestly, though, wishing ill on the man whose been elected president, perhaps despite everything, is extreme sour-grape behavior. I mean, seriously. At least wait until he's actually done something before saying he fails, like with Bush. The man is not an Antichrist that eats babies and puppies and farts sulfur and brimstone. Give the man some credit. He's barely been in office a day. Nor was Bush. Bush was just an idiot who was a pushover, and we have about eight years worth of things to prove it with. Basically, partly a patsy (though the fact he takes the Nixon stance of "if the president does it it's not illegal" doesn't exactly make up for it) and partly being a moron.
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And Obama just got started and already he's doing good by limiting the power on those bastards we call lobbyists
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I saw a part of the inauguration and it kinda scared me at how extreme they made it. I hope the guy does well, but I'm not praising him for anything, nor
would I do the same if McCain had made it. It's not in his power to change the economy guys, it's in OUR power. Government has some pull, but we have
the final say. It doesn't matter who is president, it matters how we let him run the country. Seriously, just like Bush, he's pretty much the nations
mascot, and we're the one paying him to lift our spirits. The only thing he can change is what we allow him to change, along with the senate. This is why
this whole presidential thing is really a moot point, for deciding on one leader to look up to is more like a monarchy or even an empire than anything. Not
that that's a bad thing, but eventually those forms of government have revolutions.
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Darkest Light |
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See Ultra, that kinda talk worries me. Gonna make this short.
As Fexus just stated before me, It's going to take all of us in order to fix the huuuge messes we are in. Yeah, we all aren't going to agree, and I assume that's why you wish for his policies to fail Ultra-because you feel they'll hamper America. But yeah, he hasn't been in here long enough to get his stuff all laid out. He has a lot to do-and he even said its not going to be a quick fix-its going to take time. He can get the ball rolling because he's the "mascot" of America, a "mascot" that more than enough people actually believe in, momentous occasion or not. Hell, other countries believe in his message of change. I guess what I'm saying is that due to what you said I see you-Ultra-as not being part of the solution by already spouting off something like that. It sounds like you wouldn't even try to help/be a part of the change. I'm not saying that you wouldn't. I'm saying it SOUNDS that way, and if we don't get everyone's help, then **%+# gonna stay the same -.- Note: I'm not praising the man, calling him a messiah or something. But I would finally like to believe that the country I'm living in isn't governed by complete incompetence -.- ![]() Hee hee hee |
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Albino Rapper |
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Here's a view from space: http://www.wtopnews.com/i...tol_Memorial20JAN2009.jpg
I watched it on the news at work, and then at home. We opened at 10 AM (EST) and were very busy for a while, then things died down around 11:30. We were all in the lobby, eyes glued to the local news on HDTV. We got two calls while Aretha was singing >( , then took the phones off the hook and set them down so no one could call in. =D It was very exciting, awesome, and surreal to see my favorite city on TV, swarmed with 2 million people and freaking jumbotrons on the Mall, with the whole world watching. =O |
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Samanfur the Fox |
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I've only seen three things that Obama's done since he started campaigning that worries me (the inclusion of Rick Warren, the appointment of Hillary
Clinton - whose majority of foreign policy experience comes from standing next to her husband and who I don't think deserves an inch after what she did on
campaign - and continuing the seemingly all-American pursuit of shoving his head up Israel's rear end; both of which're whole other debates, especially
with Georse Mitchell now in the mix), so I'm perfectly willing to give the guy a chance. It might all be smoke and mirrors due to charisma and oratory
skills, but we'll see - and in any case, he can't be worse than the last guy unless he presses the nuclear button as far as I'm concerned.
He's made some positive, decisive actions so far - Guantanamo, pay freezes, saying that he'll slap down lobbyists... What worries me is that he's been left with two terms of crap from the most unpopular president in history, and some people seem to be expecting him to part the Potomac in thirty seconds. It'll take possibly more than one term to sort out this mess - years, not months - and whilst his place in history's assured because of who he is and what he represents, I'd hate to see the poor guy unfairly castigated for failure to reinvent the wheel, so to speak.
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CastorTroy |
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Anyone who actively hopes Obama fails is a complete ass. An America-hating party-idolater who would rather have America fail under the banner of the other
party than have America flourish.
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mobius springheart |
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Just because one party has a few policies that people disagree with is no reason to hope that they outright fail and collapse...'cause in that case,
America would be in a worse state than it is now, and if that happened, nobody would capable of fixing it with just a few 'band-aid fix' solutions
Honestly, I've never heard a country complain SO loudly at its own people and the Right to vote how they want. Just remember that at least YOU have one, Some countries don't...it's utterly ridiculous, given how things are in the US right now. Right now, NOBODY in office would have an easy time...Obama's come in at one of the most financially unbalanced and unsound times. He will NOT be the man to fix everything...he'll be the inter-rim guy trying to at least start to make it straight enough so that the next few presidents can really get America back on track again. And if it makes ANYONE cry that the 'wrong' man is in the white house...too bad, because the people have spoken and decided that this was the better choice. Now, for the next few years, you'll just have to Live with it!
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Rishi |
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Obama's decision to close down the Guantanamo Bay detention camp within a year is a decision I strongly agree with... because, let's be
honest, what REALLY goes on in there other than torture?
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Hillary Clinton - whose majority of foreign policy experience comes from standing next to her husbandUm, she has been serving in the Armed Services Committee of the Senate for several years now, which gives her at least more experience than our current Commander in Chief. You're aware she has had a political career of her own before these elections, right?
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SX the kitsune |
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Hey, uh, can I point something out before you go back to selective quoting?
"If you have any ideas that are good for America, then may you succeed at implementing them. Otherwise, I hope you fail. " "I hope any policies that are good for the country succeed. I hope any ideas that are bad for America fail." How is that a bad thing, really? At least read the rest of the post, instead of just skipping to the "juicy" bits that you think you can tear apart alone. As for hte topic, Obama worries me. I won't go into why, (because really, who actually gets swayed by internet arguments?) But what also worries me is that many people who don't like Obama seem certain that he'll absolutely wreck the country in a matter of days.. Especially in things like the economy, perception can become so real that it *does* become real - Just look in a history book for a good list of examples of how many times unfounded economic panic developed from nothing but public fears. I don't agree with his policies, but I think our own fear and paranoia is a bigger danger to ourselves than Obama is.
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Rishi |
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SX the kitsune wrote:I understood what Ultra was getting at all along, but honestly, I could never wish Obama ill. Dude's got that thing, y'know.
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